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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2009.01.04 00:03:00 -
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Wow you're ****ed  
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2009.01.04 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 04/01/2009 00:10:08
And this "it's just a game!1!" is just a way for you to justify your behaviour. You do what you do exactly because it brings you real life satisfaction to **** someone off. If they didn't react the way they did you probably wouldn't waste your real life time griefing players in game.
It's just a game. Until someone griefs you. Then it's more than a game. It's your time and money (fee) being wasted. But that's reasonable, after all, it's you.
And just want to add just as you enjoy others' tears I'm enjoying yours. So feel free to petition me  .
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2009.01.04 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 04/01/2009 00:14:52
Yes yes. I know. Your griefing is justified. Everyone else's isn't. World revolves around you yada yada. I know the drill with your type.
Keep crying please.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 00:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Tristen Orde
'Waaaaah I get killed my 'griefers'.
Maximum Minage
Is the mining op over?
BTW, if you role-play the pirate, and aren't doing it specifically to get people griefed, that's different and it's legitimate play. Just sayin.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Uylear
stuffs
In-game piracy != griefing.
You yourself admitted you enjoy griefing.
Playing to explicitly **** people off does not equal playing the pirate. Griefing doesn't make you a pirate and vice versa.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 14:29:00 -
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Pirates are just as foul-mouthed, just as mean, just as kind, just as mature, just as immature, just as human as carebears. Anyone saying anything else is full of it.
I'd dare say I get just as much hatemail and messages from the "bad guys" as the so-called bad guys get from carebears.
Griefers on the other hand, are griefers in-game as they are out of game. Why? Because their "fun" derives from causing real life harm to others. If they weren't able to cause pain from what they do, they'd find something else in where they could. I've proven so with our beloved self proclaimed "in-game-only griefer", Kublai.
A self-proclaimed griefer that admits he loves to cause grief in game is fooling himself in thinking he'd never enjoy it in real life. Or in Kublai's case, being a hypocrite. If the only thing that's stopping you say, from stealing mission-specific loot from a high sec carebear's mission is the fact it's an exploit, don't fool yourself or others. You are a griefer. The only thing stopping you is the real-life consequences it would bring to you, ie you'll be banned.
Then why don't you grief in real life you ask? Because of the real life consequences it'd bring. You want little or no repercussions to yourself. Internet anonymity brings out the worst qualities within us.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 04/01/2009 15:58:25
Originally by: Khoda Khan
There's a particular saying that I like.
Do as you will. The actions of others will set your limits.
Anyone who allows me to stand in their way, either by an unwillingness to respond or out of an inability to respond (lack of experience) has entitled me to do so, just as anyone who has stood in my way has done so because I've entitled them to do so, either by my unwillingness to respond or out of an inability to respond. Either way, that's how the world works, both EVE and the real one we all live in.
No. This is how you would like the world to work so you can justify your griefing. Every griefer has a justfication for doing what they do. This is yours. Your attitude is pretty much "I will grief you because I can. Stop me if you can. That's how the world works." That's the griefer's attitude. And that is not how the world works.
Wow. it's pretty scary to know the only thing stopping people like you in the real world are the rules set up by society.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khoda Khan
Again, I think it's a matter of perspective. For me this isn't how I'd like the world to be so I can grief people in EVE. The world is a much larger place than just a game. This is my VIEW of the world we live in. This is how I FEEL the world works. And that viewpoint is backed up by my experiences, which of course may differ from yours since we're not one in the same.
Fear of consequences is all that prevents MOST people from doing whatever the hell they like. I don't have a high opinion of people. We are animals. Animals that are self-aware and thus greedy and self-centered. You can try to hide that behind all sorts of acts of compassion and kindness, but in the end MOST (not all) people are out only for themselves. Even those acts of compassion and kindness could be done solely to make oneself feel better about oneself, or as an act of denial of one's true nature. I'm sure there are people who do such things for the right reasons, but in my OPINION they would be the exception rather than the rule.
We're a violent breed of animal. Always have been, always will be. We are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered and greedy. We can pretend like we're not but pick up a newspaper or turn on the television and the real world, with it's real people, will smack you in the face with a healthy dose of reality.
It's not justification for anything. Just the facts. At least as I perceive them to be.
Everyone's mileage will vary depending on their own life experiences.
Khoda
I have to admit I respect and honor your straight forwardness and honesty, even if I disagree with your opinion. That alone is very commendable from your part.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:47:00 -
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Again,
1. Piracy != Griefing. Pirating doesn't make you a griefer. Griefing doesn't make you a pirate. With that said if you're in high sec with no other intention than to find "tears" and hatemail you are a griefer. You're also a carebear. But instead of farming isk with low risk, you farm "tears".
2. There's no such thing as roleplaying a griefer. If you're a griefer in game, you're a griefer IRL. And as much as you'd like it to be, griefer isn't a profession. It's just you being an a-hole engorging yourself in other people's real life misery.
3. If you're a griefer, don't come to the forums to b*tch and whine when you yourself are griefed. Yes, Nexa Necis, I'm looking straight at ya .
4. Every griefer has their "reason" or "excuse" on why they grief or why they don't think it's griefing when they enjoy harassing other players. The excuses are amusing, but irrelevant.
5. ... That's all I got... For now. :)
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:56:00 -
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^^ looking for fights != looking to grief
I think you misread my post.
What are your intentions when you're looking for a fight?
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Uylear
Originally by: Matrix Skye
... That's all I got... For now. :)
Thank the Lord Scagga for that...
As I said... For now .
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2009.01.05 18:06:00 -
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Buzz AU,
To be honest you haven't said anything that would make me consider you a griefer. Unless you do what you do to "farm tears".
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.05 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/01/2009 18:24:35
Originally by: Buzz AU
Its worth adding that you will get a-holes who grief for the sake of it. And that these people are just acting out as they do irl. But you cant generalize people based on their actions on a game.
Its like those people who blame video games for some kid going nuts and shooting people. Its an opinion, but by no means the right one.
(See yellow)
I think you're agreeing with me. I don't believe there is such a thing as roleplaying the a-hole. If someone genuinely enjoys making other people miserable and does it with the intention of getting them upset IRL or getting a negative reaction from them IRL, that person has griefing tendencies in real life as well. Even if they don't do it in real life, perhaps because of the RL consequences it may bring on them.
My point is they're not playing the game as a form of entertainment. Rather they're using it as a tool to grief and satisfy their own sadistic needs.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.06 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Faekurias
I think the dudes who can't separate things you do in internet spaceships from actual real world events are the REAL ones in the danger zone.
The rest of us can tell the difference between game and reality.
For the ones where the lines get blurry, they go kill someone in real life for pixels in a game.
This works both ways. Griefers use internet spaceship games as a tool to grief IRL. They derive their pleasure from knowing they're p*ssing people in real life. It isn't "just" a game to them. The game is a facilitator/arena that allows them to get their "fix". So yes, it works both ways.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:28:00 -
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^^ You're not getting it. Re-read what I wrote.
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